# FAQs about Self-Reference

Q: What is a self-reference?

A: It’s a statement that refers to itself.

Q: So, like… is this question self-referential?

A: Yes.

Q: And this question too?!

A: You can stop now.

Q: So why is self-reference important in mathematics?

A: Because mathematics is built on logic, and self-references unravel logic.

Q: How so?

A: Allow me: “This sentence is false.”

Q: Gesundheit.

A: Now, is that statement true or false?

Q: False, obviously. It says so.

A: Are you sure? If it’s false, then we have to reject what it says… meaning that it’s true.

Q: Weird! Okay, so it’s true.

A: Ah, but if it’s true, then we have to accept what it says… meaning that it’s false.

Q: So if it’s false, then it’s true, and if it’s true, then it’s false?

A: Self-reference: frying brains since 1901.

Q: All right, good riddle. But what does this have to do with math?

Q: You’re “glad”? You realize we’re being written by the same person, right?

A: Whoa, whoa, too much self-reference there, pal.

Q: Anyway. You were saying?

A: Here’s what mathematicians do: they make some assumptions, and then, working logically from those assumptions, they prove as much as they can.

It’s called “deductive reasoning.” Highly recommended.

In any case, mathematicians want to believe that, if they pick the right assumptions, they can prove everything. Every statement will be either true or false, with no annoying gray areas.

Q: What does this have to do with self-reference?

A: Self-reference creates annoying gray areas.

Q: Interesting! Go on.

A: I shall! So, every system of assumptions creates a kind of language. To be clear, it’s a super technical language. Not fun to speak. No silly accents. But it’s a language nevertheless, with all the associated logical structure and expressive variety.

Now, you can use this language to create self-references. In particular, in this language, you can make a sentence which says, “This statement cannot be proved true.”

Q: Uh-oh. That sounds bad.

A: It is! Because, if the statement is false…

Q: Oh, I see! If the statement is false, then we have to reject what it says, meaning that it can be proved true… but that means it’s a false statement that can be proved true!

Q: So this statement can’t be false. And it can’t be true either… because… why?

A: Oh, this statement actually can be true.

Q: It can?

A: Yes. In fact, it is.

Q: What?! You said there were gray areas!

A: There are. The statement is true, but—here’s the gray area—it can’t be proved true.

Q: Huh?

A: Think about it. We’re assuming this statement is true. But if we prove it true…

Q: Then we’ve contradicted it. That’s messed up.

A: Very.

Q: So what’s the deal with this statement?

A: Like I said, it’s true, but it cannot be proved true.

Q: Okay… but isn’t the argument you just gave me a proof that the statement is true?

A: Not really. “Provable” in this case means “follows logically from the assumptions.” I haven’t accomplished that. I’m not working inside the system. Instead, I’m critiquing and dissecting it from the outside.

Q: This is madness!

A: No, this is logic! What we’re talking about is Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem. It’s one of the most baffling and beautiful results in all of modern mathematics.

Q: Crazy.

A: Logic can be, yes. What this result says is that mathematics can never be complete. No matter what assumptions you make, there will always be self-referential statements beyond the reach of proof.

Q: Honestly, when I started asking about self-reference, I wasn’t expecting any big insights about the nature of mathematical truth. I just wanted to make some dumb jokes.

A: Like how “hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia” means “fear of long words”?

Q: Exactly!

A: Or how certain adjectives are self-describing, like “unhyphenated”?

Q: Or “self-describing”!

A: Or “containing an even number of syllables.”

Q: Or “containing an odd number of syllables.”

A: Yeah, but that one’s just a copy of mine.

Q: It’s not a copy! It’s an homage.

A: Hmmph. It’s less an homage than a reference.

Q: A self-reference?

A: I’m leaving.

## 13 thoughts on “FAQs about Self-Reference”

1. Beautiful! (…and that’s a true statement)

2. Abdul Hafiz Kaissi says:

One of the best (& most insightful) non-technical explanations of the Incompletness theorem I came across. Very suitable to share with a lay-person who wants to know more about Gödel’s theorem!

3. danielunger2013 says:

Love it! Reminds me of writings of Raymond Smullyan on Gödel.

4. There’s also the sentence “This sentence is true.” If you accept it, then it’s true, no contradiction. If you reject it, it’s false, so no contradiction there either! So is it both true and false? Hopefully not. Is it either true or false, but we don’t know which (as with “There is life on Jupiter”?). Not that either. It’s just a mystery!

5. Ross Presser says:

@John Cowan: But if you construct the mathematical statement that means “this sentence is true” … it either has a proof or it has a disproof. And neither case leads to contradiction (unless you combine it with a Goedel-like sentence … but then it’s not a single statement, it’s a compound one). Therefore it’s not a mystery in mathematics.

6. Godel, escher, bach: an eternal golden braid by d. hofstadter for a lot more fun with this. Plus fables.

7. Still frying brains :p

Reminds me of